Here is Mr. Wardlow complete e-mail supporting the Mormon doctrine that Christians can lose their salvation and that Christ does not remove all sins, past present and future:
From: Billy Wardlow grandpa3825@webtv.net
To: wwwcarm-paulson@yahoo.comSent: Wednesday, June 7, 2006 10:02:39 AM
Subject: Eternal Security?
Billy Wardlow <http://us.f534.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=grandpa3825@webtv.net> has sent you the following web link:Since you seem to like the writings of men, here is one for you.http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id134.htm
I just looked at your love/hate pages. They are just another example of your desire to classify and pigeon-hole individuals. You praise those that agree with your theology, under love, and accuse those who do not agree as Haters. I'm certain,in the main, no one hates you. Some of your beliefs,yes,but I doubt that they have hatred of you personally. I certainly don't hate you, but like the Lord, I hate every evil way. And this includes much of belief system. Not you,but a lot of what you believe, such as the Calvinistic doctrine you embrace. So I view those love/hate pages as just what they are, an effort on your part to win sympathy. Poor thing. What a pathetic way to gain sympathy. I "love you less" than the Truth. Do you understand what I'm saying? Your motives are so transparent Matt.
Ho hum, all your assumptions are and have been answered many times before. Did you bother to read all on the site I sent you? Obviously not for you are going over the same ground that has been covered thoroughly. Matt, Matt, the greatness of Jesus doesn't rest on what mere man decides to do. Don't be so utterly ridiculous. You are being ludicrous.But that is common with those who are Satans followers and not really followers of Christ. You are a follower of Satan, and his works you will do as you are now. I trust you will learn better before it is everlastingly to late.
[Matt's note: Notice that Mr. Wardlow feels comfortable in calling me a follower of Satan!!!]
If I could be sure you would put everything I have written and sent you on,. I would say yes, however knowing you pick and choose and lift things out of their context and bend them to fit what you want them to. I will have to say no. A s President Truman once said. "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen". I think I know your intentions and motives. You shouldn't be to surprised at this. Let's see , What would you title my correspondance. "How Not to teach the Bible"? Then claim that what I wrote was not "Teaching the Truth in Love"? If I didn't have a love for your soul, I wouldn't have challenged you in the first place. NO Matt..No way. It is all our correspondance including the sites I sent you, or nothing.
According to your reasoning??? process, you should be Universalist. The Bible states Christ died so that All might be saved. And they take this verse and others and run with it and create the Univesalist Church. Much the same as you are doing. I can't help but think, you know better. You know what your doing and why, Self-centeredness and money. Your motivation is certainly not preaching the Word as Truth for your mishandleing of the Word of God demonstates this clearly. You refuse to acknowledge when you are wrong and will not answer plain scriptural arguments because you can't and really have no respect for the Scriptures, you so loosely quote to decieve the untaught and unlearned. Matt, you are not dealing with such an individual now.
Not that you will answer this, but just for your edification; Salvation is In Christ, right? How does the Bible teach is the way a person gets into Christ. Hint, hint. Romans 6; Gal. 3.
I will take all the bible says on any given subject over your interpretation or any mans opinions. For one who acts and has the actions of a goat, to have so much to say about sheep who have gone astray and are found, you certainly are still a lost goat and will remain as such until you learn how to become a sheep by obeying the Gospel. Quoting Scripture and not obeying them when you should, are quite two different things. Enough of your foolishness. Get thou hence, Satan follower. As I said in the beginning of correspondance,you are not dealing with someone who can be easily decieved by your rhetoric and opinions. You seem to think you are beyond answering questions put to you. And yet you expect your readers to heed your repitious teachings without questioning? Such pomposity? This the sheep saying to the goat, get lost. Oh, but you already are already lost an d yet to be found!!! Baaaaaye.
My.my, such deception. You need to read more of the New Testament !!!!
You are welcome to my show of humility and as far as my chartacter is concerned it matters not what you think. You will not be my judge, nor I yours. The righteous Judge will have the final say. I, as Paul and Peter and others used the term foolish several times in their ministry, so according to your reasoning they were in sin when they did so? I say to you, as Paul did to the Galatians. "Oh foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that you should not Obey the the truth.......I'm quite familiar with the context,so I don't need your speel on that. That is Galatian 3:1. I am simply doing, trying to do, as Peter said in 1st 2:15-16. Oh that you would learn NOT to go beyond that which is written. It genders strife as you can well see.
Gal. 1, Paul withstood Peter to his face because he was to be blamed. For what? For teaching to jews that which they wanted to hear. You are guilty of the same. You are misleading people because of your compromise with false teaching and teachers. But unlike Peter, you refuse to repent. Why should you or anyone who is believer in Grace alone repent? We are eternally secure. Or so you believe!
They understood the issue and gave it Scriptural foundation. They even recognized obedience as a necessary thing, as you do. All the writing about milk and meat is interesting, though it gets to be quite tedious as he or they try to expound upon it. Milk of the word, is for babes IN Christ.1 Cor.3:2 But the Hebrew letter says that while some of them should be teachers, they had need to be taught the first principles and were still in the milk stage of knowledge, instead of growing up and being able to take in and teach the meat of word Heb.5:11-14.Verse 13 & 14 reminds me of you. You are so unskillful in the use of the word of righteousness. You are still unable to discern what's good and what's evil. Yes indeed it does. It seems you are one those people who are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.11 Tim. 3:7 In that, you may differ from the ones to whom the Hebr ew writer had reference. Never-the- less, You still have a lot of sorting out to do. Distinguishing between truth and error can be difficult at times. Thank you for Clements observations. I had not read his thoughts on this.
I hope you know the context of of your quotatian. It is impossible for them to so. Just as it is impossible for teachers??? like yourself, to answer plainly the questions put to you, because it reveals your lack of knowledge as to what the Bible really says about various subjects. Verse 25 may well be applicable to you and your many cohorts, who have forgotten Who is the final Authority, Gods Word. Your Grace alone,faith alone, and even your sense of the meaning, calling on the name of the Lord alone, cannot be substanciated by the Word of God. Try to let go of all the man (devils lies) made doctrines and go by what the BIBLE ALONE says. Stop taking a verse here and a verse there and building a doctrine around them. You say quite a bit about Context. Try practicing what you preach.
Gal. 1, Paul withstood Peter to his face because he was to be blamed. For what? For teaching to jews that which they wanted to hear. You are guilty of the same. You are misleading people because of your compromise with false teaching and teachers. But unlike Peter, you refuse to repent. Why should you or anyone who is believer in Grace alone repent? We are eternally secure. Or so you believe!
What if? All your hypothetical what ifs. I can do the same.What if you stand before God in judgement and find out Faith alone will not save and eternal security are false doctrine, you have sinned and caused those who follow such (false doctrine) to be lost along with you. I could go and on with such Hypotheticals.But I prefer to stay with what the Word of God says, as a whole,on every subject and make sure my salvation as well as those whom I teach are not lost because what I teach and what I is teach all Gods Word says, minus any hypotheticals.I have a thus saith the Lord,in context, of all He says on a subject. With you, you read as verse here and verse there and build a doctrine around them, like Calvin and so many others did and are still doing.Why? because you and they refuse to accept the authority of Gods Word as the final authority in "religion" and study these thin gs out. You are content to settle on hypotheticals and FEELINGS rather than FAITH in what all the The Bible says . That is very unwise and infantile Matt.
About being as perfect as God Himself, what a foolish statement. That's like me asking you, Are you Wiser than God? Of course not. Although the way you mishandle His Word, one might get that impression. No, I'm not perfect by a long shot, but I am striving to grow in the grace and knowledge of my Lord Jesus Christ. I surely wish you and others would do the same.
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Mr Wardlow believes that salvation by faith alone is a false doctrine, even though Christ taught this!
Jesus said, "My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall NEVER perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand," John 10:27-30.
If Jesus says the sheep will NEVER perish, then, I believe Jesus over what the Mormons or Mr. Wardlow believes.
Do not Jesus leave the 99 sheep to out to get the lost lamb? Jesus is the Great Shepherd, (Heb 13:20). Does the Great Sheperd ever lose sheep?
To see how faith alone is part of salvation see http://www.carm.org/questions/faith_works.htm
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*In the following e-mail Mr. Wardlow thinks he has a striving PERFECTION as his God!! Yet his still thinks that his salvation could vanish tomorrow if he stops his good works and obedience!!!
From: Billy WardlowSent: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:47:34 -0700
To: carm-paulson@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Calling on the name of the Lord found only once in the New Testament????
I presume you are referencing Matt. 5:48. The Word does not always mean sinless perfection, as one would conclude here. Remember Job? Job 1:8 and Job 2:3. This is the type of perfection for which we are to strive. You keep asking and you may learn something. The question is, will it have any effect on your psychi or cause you to think? Where is the Grace in my theology? Grace is Gods part in the redemption of man. Faith is mans part to receive or reject this "unmerited favor". By the way, all my theology as you call it, comes not by pulling a verse here and a verse there,but taking all of what the Bible says on a given subject and teaching all it says on the various subjects.
*Here Mr. Wardlow believes that a conversion by believing in gospel (1Cor 15:1-4) is not enough to save (even thought the Apostle Paul said the message saved the Corinithians!):
I hope you know the context of of your quotatian. It is impossible for them to so. Just as it is impossible for teachers??? like yourself, to answer plainly the questions put to you, because it reveals your lack of knowledge as to what the Bible really says about various subjects. Verse 25 may well be applicable to you and your many cohorts, who have forgotten Who is the final Authority, Gods Word. Your Grace alone,faith alone, and even your sense of the meaning, calling on the name of the Lord alone, cannot be substanciated by the Word of God. Try to let go of all the man (devils lies) made doctrines and go by what the BIBLE ALONE says. Stop taking a verse here and a verse there and building a doctrine around them. You say quite a bit about Context. Try practicing what you preach.
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Billy Wardlow
Only under the specific conditions set forth by my previous e-mails. Otherwise No way. You can't be dense so that you can't understand those simple instuctions! or can you be?
From: Matt Paulson
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2006 1:45 PM
To: Billy WardlowSubject: Re: Eternal security, Apostasy, Perseverance, Falling from Grace
So, does this "love" you have for us mean that I have your permission to publish your loving words?
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FAITH AND WORKS
What about faith without works is dead at James 2:22? James 2:22 is addressing a worldly way to show our faith to others who watch us operate as a church. We know this because he says "Pure religion is…to visit the fatherless and widowed." The Apostle Paul is explaining faith as God see it.
"What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?* 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin," Rom 4:1-8.
Now, let's see how James looks at a dead faith without works:
"What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? [that faith is a false or a DEAD faith]15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew [to be seen by others] thee my [true] faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe [they believe in God but will worship Him!], and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest [on display!] thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only [a false faith]," James 2:14-24.
James is saying that a person with dead faith will walk by the hungry because he or she is not really saved. When a Christian feeds the hungry that is how he or she shows others that he has a real faith. On the other hand, the Apostle Pauls says that Abraham was not justified by his works because his work do not justify him "before God," Romans 4:2. This is a true faith that God sees apart from works.
You can see that Mr. Wardlow needs some serious prayer. Let all pray that God opens his eyes to the truth about salvation and rebirth.
In Jesus,
Matt Paulson
CARM
